All I'm saying is that your country will be run the same no matter who is elected.

That just isn't true. I don't know what else I can say . . .

Of course it won't matter "once" we're dead. But we could die because of the decisions made by the people we elect. Whether it be lack of pollution control that kills you, or a war you get drafted. Not to mention the decisions that will affect our children and so forth, if you don't care about them, fine by you. But many of us have morals and hold a sense of compassion for our fellow man, fellow creature, earth, and our own flesh and blood.

Yes, yes THEY ARE. Once again, I don't know what else to say . . .

Yes, and he was doing this all because he got ELECTED and had the support of the people. Drrrrr, could this be anymore obvious?

I never said it was False. I NEVER ONCE said anything in the movie was false, that i recall. You put those words into my mouth. All I said is what the Media was saying about the movie.

Forgive me, I thought I saw a post by you earlier saying something to the lines of "Michael Moore" percieves his [EDIT]opinions as fact, which is saying that it is false, basically, however if you did not say something to the lines of this I am sorry.  :oops:

And I quote this from CBS : "Not even Presidential Pressure on OPEC could have made the gasoline prices drop." I am not at home right now but as soon as I get home tomorrow I'll post the link here. But I rest my case.

I'm not going to respond to very much of this BUT I should do some homework? Tell me how Iraq was a threat to us and dont give me the weapons thing cause....

Umm, you did hear about that new report coming out next week that says the British intelligence was correct and Iraq was in negotiations with (some country, i forget which) to buy weapons grade plutonium, haven't you?  Oh, and the constant "Death to the American infidels!" thing should have given away Saddam's intentions.

What the hell are you talking about?  Bush spent a week and a half talking with the Saudi prince, afterwards Saudi Arabia promised to increase their production of oil by several million barrels a day.  God, Gothic, read a newspaper.

I haven't seen it yet.  I'm waiting to find someone else who wants to see it to go with me.  (I hate going to movies alone.)  But I can't wait.  From what I hear, it's a laugh a minute!

And...  I'm going with the "teenaged angst and anti-establishment" theory on you.

Damn straight.  Just don't let that prevent you from seeing the problems with the country, as many Americans do.

I'm with him.

Yes, I love you Goth.  (even though you are a filthy liberal hippie douche.)  But hey, all in good fun!

Fb I would like to know how you personally know its false. Cause I can tell you personally how most of what he says is true, his opinions are his opinions yes but the facts in their are true. So do tell me how they are false. Oh wait you'd have to see it first.

I never said it was False. I NEVER ONCE said anything in the movie was false, that i recall. You put those words into my mouth. All I said is what the Media was saying about the movie.

Great job on this debate team! (Brim + Fireborn, Gothic + Mold)

Hehe ya, I lvoe debating against Brim and Fireborn, it gets a bit frustrating at times but they both know I love them. We are master debaters.

I know personally a lot of people mrefuse to go see it simply cause they have established all their faith into Bush ( Their grand holy leader  ) and are just to damn scared to go see it and have all their faith been thrown away, so instead they just call it 100% false and go on living their happy little shielded life.

I'm thinking that there are likely a great deal of people just like that Gothic!

Sad, but there are those like that in any political or religious group.

Though the two main political parties in America have striking similiarities, to say the country with run the "same" under any party is far from correct. And to say that "politics are boring and overrated" is, well, insane. Sure, maybe you find them boring, maybe you have no care or interest in the way the world works from an economic, social, or whatever standpoint. Maybe you don't care how your lives are affected directly by the choiced made by politicians, maybe you can live a blissful life of ignorance. But many cannot. And overrated? How can something so powerful and impacting by overrated? That would be like saying "The holocuast was overrated". On second though, translate that to "the hype of Nazi Germany was overrated" and that is precisely what you are saying.

All I'm saying is that your country will be run the same no matter who is elected. Yes, I have no care or interest in the way the world works from an economic, social, or "Whatever" standpoint. Eventually, we'll all be dead and who we voted for won't matter at all. Our lives ARE NOT affected directly by the choices made by the politicians, and I WILL go ahead and live my blissful life of ignorance.

No, the holocaust was not overrated, underrated, cool, or interesting. All it was was some disgusting racist germans shooting jewish people on sight because of a short, stubby faggot with a mustache shouting orders to KILL left and right. It wasn't overrated, it was just a slaughterfest.

(which Bush Sr. heads) knew that Iraq had no weapons whatsoever, but simply forgot  to tell Bush. This doesn't seem like a cover up to you? When your own damn father knows that you are going into a war on something but "oops slipped my mind" looks like we killed all those people for nothing.

Exactly. Iraq wasn't just a coverup, it was a publicity stunt. Bush probably just wanted him and his army to seem like heroes, doing people a favor by killing Iraqi "TERRORISTS". Riiiiiiiight... Terrorists? More like pregnant women and homeless people. But ohhhhhhhhh, the Iraq thing is done now? Sounds just like a terrorism gimmick to me.. Kind of reminds me of.......... ermmmm what was that....... 9/11? If you ask me, Bush had those towers destroyed himself. Well now that Iraq and afghanistan are done with, where will bush strike next? Odds are he just pins up a map of the middle east and chucks a dart to decide where to send his army, kill a few thousand people, and make up some terrorism plot. Bush is corrupt, crooked, and wrong.

I said it once, so I'll say it again

God Fuck America!

You are...very special Gamecube...special indeed.

Where do you get this information? Iraqi Terrorists Weekly?

As far as Bush going and killing thousands of pregnant women or whatever the hell your argument was...ummm...sorry...wasn't it terrorists that destroyed the 2 towers killing many of INNOCENT AMERICANS.  Bush's ultimate goal was to weed out the terrorists and exterminate them to protect ourselves and other countries from future attacks. Show me a video of Bush plotting to go to Iraq to kill a bunch of innocent civilians and I'll shut up.

I guess you're entitled to your opinion on these matters, and if you think Bush is morbid enough to do things like that, then that is your problem. I don't think even Gothic or Mold would agree with your statement.

However, I do agree with your statement on the Holocaust, it is a VERY horrible horrible event in history and the people today who believe it never happened are a bunch of fuck tards anyway.

Great job on this debate team! (Brim + Fireborn, Gothic + Mold)

So far...after tallying up the points...all four of you did equally well at making my eyes burn from all of the quotes and text, congratulations!

Oh and my 2 cents on an earlier post about clarifying hatred for this country...yes I'd have to agree with disliking the government, but I'd much rather live here where we can have these discussions without government interference whereas in another country we would all be raped and killed. 

Though the two main political parties in America have striking similiarities, to say the country with run the "same" under any party is far from correct. And to say that "politics are boring and overrated" is, well, insane. Sure, maybe you find them boring, maybe you have no care or interest in the way the world works from an economic, social, or whatever standpoint. Maybe you don't care how your lives are affected directly by the choiced made by politicians, maybe you can live a blissful life of ignorance. But many cannot. And overrated? How can something so powerful and impacting by overrated? That would be like saying "The holocuast was overrated". On second though, translate that to "the hype of Nazi Germany was overrated" and that is precisely what you are saying.

All I'm saying is that your country will be run the same no matter who is elected. Yes, I have no care or interest in the way the world works from an economic, social, or "Whatever" standpoint. Eventually, we'll all be dead and who we voted for won't matter at all. Our lives ARE NOT affected directly by the choices made by the politicians, and I WILL go ahead and live my blissful life of ignorance.

No, the holocaust was not overrated, underrated, cool, or interesting. All it was was some disgusting racist germans shooting jewish people on sight because of a short, stubby faggot with a mustache shouting orders to KILL left and right. It wasn't overrated, it was just a slaughterfest.

Exactly. Iraq wasn't just a coverup, it was a publicity stunt. Bush probably just wanted him and his army to seem like heroes, doing people a favor by killing Iraqi "TERRORISTS". Riiiiiiiight... Terrorists? More like pregnant women and homeless people. But ohhhhhhhhh, the Iraq thing is done now? Sounds just like a terrorism gimmick to me.. Kind of reminds me of.......... ermmmm what was that....... 9/11? If you ask me, Bush had those towers destroyed himself. Well now that Iraq and afghanistan are done with, where will bush strike next? Odds are he just pins up a map of the middle east and chucks a dart to decide where to send his army, kill a few thousand people, and make up some terrorism plot. Bush is corrupt, crooked, and wrong.

I said it once, so I'll say it again

God Fuck America!