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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Deception. And Bullshit.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>There is a distinct difference between taking the action, planning the action and approving of the action.&nbsp; They cannot be morally equated, and 9/11 was not Saddam&#039;s sin.&nbsp; It was our punishment.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Catbert]]></name>
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			<updated>2004-09-06T18:26:27Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Deception. And Bullshit.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>As far as I can tell Saddam never claimed responsibility but claimed that the attacks were fruition of a collective hatred for America... So he didn&#039;t say he did it but that people who felt the same way as he, did it.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Lerris]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.faldon.org/user/138/</uri>
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			<updated>2004-09-06T14:53:37Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Deception. And Bullshit.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ll repy to the majority of this later tonight when I have time.&nbsp; I will site the parts of the report that back up what I say.&nbsp; Until then...<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>The 9-11 commission doesn&#039;t mention Saddam claiming responsibility. I can find no news article. You claim he did, now prove it.</p></blockquote></div><p>Never said it was in the report.&nbsp; It was on the news.&nbsp; I&#039;ll try and dig up the articles from the day after the attack for you, but you&#039;ll just have to wait till then.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[brimstone1392]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.faldon.org/user/596/</uri>
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			<updated>2004-09-04T07:42:20Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Deception. And Bullshit.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Oh, another thing...<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>If you believe Saddam was involved in 9/11, you are an imbecile. Furthermore, you might know something the 9/11 commission itself would like to have heard.</p></blockquote></div><p>I never said he was directly involved.&nbsp; He claimed responsibility, then retracted his statements.&nbsp; Oh, and the 911 Commission did report that Saddam&#039;s regime was funding terrorist organizations, including Al Qaeda.&nbsp; Saddam himself allowed many terrorist groups to set up and train in Iraq.&nbsp; It&#039;s in the report.&nbsp; It&#039;s a good read.&nbsp; I suggest picking up a copy.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[brimstone1392]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.faldon.org/user/596/</uri>
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			<updated>2004-09-04T05:22:22Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Deception. And Bullshit.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>It did.&nbsp; It was all over the news the day after the attacks.</p><p>Also, crusade is comonly used in place of &quot;war&quot; or &quot;fight.&quot;&nbsp; They are synonyms.&nbsp; So, he used flowery, politician-speak.&nbsp; When have I ever set up a standard against that?&nbsp; It&#039;s commonplace.</p><p>You&#039;re pulling crap out of your ass here, Cat.&nbsp; (which is still a far cry better than pulling it out of your mouth like most liberals. <img src="https://www.faldon.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /> )</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[brimstone1392]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.faldon.org/user/596/</uri>
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			<updated>2004-09-04T05:18:06Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Deception. And Bullshit.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>A crusade is a religious war, that is its primary definition.&nbsp; It would seem we have two sets of standrds, Brim.</p><p>I can find no article in which Saddam claimed responsibility for 9/11.&nbsp; You think that sort of thing would make the news.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Catbert]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.faldon.org/user/5/</uri>
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			<updated>2004-09-04T05:12:34Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Deception. And Bullshit.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>What are you talking about?&nbsp; Saddam claimed responsibility 2 hours after the first plain hit, then retracted it an hour later.</p><p>Oh, and Bush called it a crusade.&nbsp; If I say I&#039;m on a crusade to rid my house of dust, that doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s a holy war.&nbsp; That&#039;s just silly.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[brimstone1392]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.faldon.org/user/596/</uri>
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			<updated>2004-09-04T05:07:13Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Deception. And Bullshit.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Saddam never claimed responsibility for 9/11, and a common hatred of America does not mean they are allies.&nbsp; For instance, a lot of Democrats hate George W. Bush.&nbsp; But so does Osama bin Laden and I take it that Saddam Hussein does.</p><p>This doesn&#039;t mean Democrats support bin Laden/Saddam any more than Saddam and Osama &quot;worked together&quot; so to speak.&nbsp; I recall Dubya calling this a holy war (crusade) to, does that make him a jihadist?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p><a href="http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2001/09/17/rdp16.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.recordonline.com/archive/200 &#133; /rdp16.htm</a></p><p>If you believe Saddam was involved in 9/11, you are an imbecile.&nbsp; Furthermore, you might know something the 9/11 commission itself would like to have heard.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Catbert]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.faldon.org/user/5/</uri>
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			<updated>2004-09-04T05:03:21Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Deception. And Bullshit.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Saddam:&nbsp; &quot;Death to the infidels!&quot;</p><p>Osama:&nbsp; &quot;Death to the infidels!&quot;</p><p>Saddam:&nbsp; &quot;This is a holy war.&quot;</p><p>Osama:&nbsp; &quot;This is a holy war.&quot;</p><p>Osama, talking about 911:&nbsp; &quot;We are responsible.&quot;</p><p>Saddam, talking about 911 before he realized the extent of the damage:&nbsp; &quot;I am responsible.&quot;</p><p>No connection.....&nbsp; Sure..... <img src="https://www.faldon.org/img/smilies/roll.png" width="15" height="15" alt="roll" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[brimstone1392]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.faldon.org/user/596/</uri>
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			<updated>2004-09-04T04:46:45Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Deception. And Bullshit.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Saddam was a secular dictator, bin Laden was a religious fundamentalist.&nbsp; There was no relationship ideologically.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Catbert]]></name>
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			<updated>2004-09-04T04:42:33Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Deception. And Bullshit.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Once again, you seem to have taken things out of context.&nbsp; What he was saying is that anyone with a will to harm America, will use anything in their means to succeed.&nbsp; He was simply using the example to show that Saddam, who was attempting to create WMD&#039;s (even though he didn&#039;t have them yet) would get them, and use them on us.&nbsp; He wasn&#039;t connecting 911 to Saddam, merely connecting the ideology.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[brimstone1392]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.faldon.org/user/596/</uri>
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			<updated>2004-09-03T19:53:57Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Deception. And Bullshit.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>The New York Senator who introduced Bush said something along the lines of &quot;Some people will question why we liberated Iraq. Some people still ask about weapons of mass destruction. On September 11th we learned that a weapon of mass destruction can come in the form of a box-cutter.&quot;</p><p>Frankly, this disturbs me.</p><p>First off, he is indirectly drawing a fake connection between Saddam and 9/11. A trick the Republicans have been using since the tragedy. And it&#039;s worked. Second of all, by listing a box cutter as a WMD he is basically saying that anyone, and anything armed with a toothpick could be a threat, great enough to go to war- therefore, not only disregarding that we DIDN&#039;T find WMD, but justifying the Iraq war and any following wars using 9/11- which is low, and sick.</p></blockquote></div><p>This is actually one of many times which i&#039;ve witnessed republicans drawing said connection, and/or blaming the tragedy on Saddam. </p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>by listing a box cutter as a WMD he is basically saying that anyone, and anything armed with a toothpick could be a threat, great enough to go to war</p></blockquote></div><p>And this is why America is so overzealous, paranoid, and deceiving.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Ender]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.faldon.org/user/21/</uri>
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			<updated>2004-09-03T12:37:27Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Deception. And Bullshit.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://www.faldon.org/post/32361/#p32361"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The New York Senator who introduced Bush said something along the lines of &quot;Some people will question why we liberated Iraq. Some people still ask about weapons of mass destruction. On September 11th we learned that a weapon of mass destruction can come in the form of a box-cutter.&quot;</p><p>Frankly, this disturbs me.</p><p>First off, he is indirectly drawing a fake connection between Saddam and 9/11. A trick the Republicans have been using since the tragedy. And it&#039;s worked. Second of all, by listing a box cutter as a WMD he is basically saying that anyone, and anything armed with a toothpick could be a threat, great enough to go to war- therefore, not only disregarding that we DIDN&#039;T find WMD, but justifying the Iraq war and any following wars using 9/11- which is low, and sick.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[mold]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.faldon.org/user/199/</uri>
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			<updated>2004-09-03T09:43:15Z</updated>
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