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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zer: Site Question]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m only allowed to say that because at the start of this client (and for a good 3 years) I was one of those unemployed teenagers addicted to Faldon&nbsp; &nbsp;<img src="https://www.faldon.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Aerius]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-03-19T21:51:02Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zer: Site Question]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Zing!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mumblee]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-03-19T19:47:36Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zer: Site Question]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Zer wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ugh. I hope that&#039;s wrong. I did my measurement using grep and the resulting log file portion sizes. <img src="https://www.faldon.org/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /> So hopefully I&#039;m right..</p></blockquote></div><p>Haha crafty.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Zer wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Most things Microsoft are doing these days w.r.t. incompatibility are strategic.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yeah.&nbsp; Which is dumb. XP is flawed but so is IE6/7 (and I&#039;m sure DX8/9 is too.. but I&#039;m not a software developer).&nbsp; Most people aren&#039;t going to upgrade the OS just to upgrade the browser (as Wu said, most don&#039;t even know an upgrade exists), so you just end up with a bunch of people on old OSs still using old browsers.</p><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>Mumblee wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> I doubt the Illusorystudios web viewers have much overlap with the employee-base of large technology-resistant corporations, though.</p></blockquote></div><p>Or the employee-base of any corporations for that matter&nbsp; &nbsp;<img src="https://www.faldon.org/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Aerius]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-03-19T19:19:51Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zer: Site Question]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>IE 6 is still 20% because of corporations that mandate it (usually after investing heavily in systems designed for it).&nbsp; I doubt the Illusorystudios web viewers have much overlap with the employee-base of large technology-resistant corporations, though.</p><p>That is to say: your numbers are probably correct, Zer.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mumblee]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-03-19T19:16:54Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Most things Microsoft are doing these days w.r.t. incompatibility are strategic.<br />Why do new versions of DirectX require new versions of Windows?<br />(unless of course their plot is to drive everyone away from native development <img src="https://www.faldon.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" />)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[James]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.faldon.org/user/2/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-03-19T19:11:22Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zer: Site Question]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Ugh. I hope that&#039;s wrong. I did my measurement using grep and the resulting log file portion sizes. <img src="https://www.faldon.org/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /> So hopefully I&#039;m right..</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[James]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-03-19T19:09:47Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zer: Site Question]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Ok I have it bookmarked now:&nbsp; <a href="http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html" rel="nofollow">http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html</a>&nbsp; haha.&nbsp; Some day I&#039;ll actually read it (probably when IE9/FF4/etc have at least 50% market share).</p><br /><p>Anyways - another quick comment on the site: </p><p>The main content div should probably be set to overflow: auto (with the proper adjustments in styling), shouldn&#039;t it?&nbsp; Right now pages with long content kind of look funny going off into the darkness (not to mention the footer goes away).</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Aerius]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.faldon.org/user/68/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-03-19T19:06:04Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#039;t really looked at the spec, no.&nbsp; I think IE8 has support for a few limited features, but it is lagging behind WebKit and Opera by quite a bit.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mumblee]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-03-19T18:58:08Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zer: Site Question]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://www.faldon.org/post/63633/#p63633"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Msieshare1" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Msieshare1</a></p><p>Looks like you&#039;re lucky.&nbsp; IE6 is still 20%.&nbsp; Crazy.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Aerius]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-03-19T18:56:19Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zer: Site Question]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Mumblee wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Aerius wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I&#039;m with you on Firefox.&nbsp; I used to use it primarily but I got tired of the bloat, so now I&#039;m on Chrome and I used Firefox for development (I&#039;ll 2nd Firebug).</p><p>I don&#039;t use IE because.. well I&#039;m on Linux for staters.&nbsp; But even when I&#039;m on Windows I avoid it because of its lack of support for CSS3&nbsp; and HTML5 stuff - I don&#039;t want to be the victim of graceful degradation (or non-graceful for that matter).&nbsp; IE9 looks much better with that, I&#039;ll try it out when it hits beta.</p></blockquote></div><p>Well, HTML5 support is all over the board, with each browser maker supporting different pieces of it (and none of them even coming close to supporting all of the recommendations yet).&nbsp; Lack of CSS3 support is pretty annoying though, but you&#039;re right, IE9 will hopefully be much better about that.</p></blockquote></div><p>Thats definitely true but IE8- has like zero HTML5 support, right?&nbsp; Firefox has not much.&nbsp; Webkit is probably the best.&nbsp; But you&#039;re right, no one even close.&nbsp; &nbsp;Have you actually read the spec?&nbsp; I&#039;m going to get around to it eventually.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Zer wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>9.64</p></blockquote></div><p>Haha nice I&#039;ll have to try that.&nbsp; I don&#039;t think IE7 will run on 98, will it?&nbsp; &nbsp;They just said that IE9 won&#039;t even run on XP (though that might be strategical...&nbsp; which is annoying).</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Aerius]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-03-19T18:49:33Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zer: Site Question]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>9.64</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[James]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-03-19T18:46:56Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Aerius wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I&#039;m with you on Firefox.&nbsp; I used to use it primarily but I got tired of the bloat, so now I&#039;m on Chrome and I used Firefox for development (I&#039;ll 2nd Firebug).</p><p>I don&#039;t use IE because.. well I&#039;m on Linux for staters.&nbsp; But even when I&#039;m on Windows I avoid it because of its lack of support for CSS3&nbsp; and HTML5 stuff - I don&#039;t want to be the victim of graceful degradation (or non-graceful for that matter).&nbsp; IE9 looks much better with that, I&#039;ll try it out when it hits beta.</p></blockquote></div><p>Well, HTML5 support is all over the board, with each browser maker supporting different pieces of it (and none of them even coming close to supporting all of the recommendations yet).&nbsp; Lack of CSS3 support is pretty annoying though, but you&#039;re right, IE9 will hopefully be much better about that.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mumblee]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-03-19T18:46:00Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Opera 10 on Win98?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Aerius]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-03-19T18:42:20Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>What&#039;s sad is, you can run Opera on Windows 98.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[James]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-03-19T18:39:28Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m with you on Firefox.&nbsp; I used to use it primarily but I got tired of the bloat, so now I&#039;m on Chrome and I used Firefox for development (I&#039;ll 2nd Firebug).</p><p>I don&#039;t use IE because.. well I&#039;m on Linux for staters.&nbsp; But even when I&#039;m on Windows I avoid it because of its lack of support for CSS3&nbsp; and HTML5 stuff - I don&#039;t want to be the victim of graceful degradation (or non-graceful for that matter).&nbsp; IE9 looks much better with that, I&#039;ll try it out when it hits beta.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Aerius]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-03-19T18:36:18Z</updated>
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