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			<title><![CDATA[Re: 2004 Election Prediction as of 7/11/04]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>FUCK Kerry and Bush, they are both pussies!!! </p><br /><p><span style="color: green">__________________________________</span><br /><strong><span style="color: red"> HOWARD DEAN FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!</span></strong><br /><span style="color: blue">¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯</span></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: 2004 Election Prediction as of 7/11/04]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Wow cat...you got pretty in depth there, I can&#039;t say I have thought about the prediction before, but now that I hear it it does seem a bit scary.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: 2004 Election Prediction as of 7/11/04]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>My refutation of the 21 reasons.</p><p>1.&nbsp; No more drunk driving lightning bolts </p><p>I doubt this story had anything to do with the outcome of the election, most people probably didn&#039;t care.&nbsp; It didn&#039;t get much coverage anyways, as I recall.</p><br /><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>2.&nbsp; Bush defeated the incumbent party in a time of peace and prosperity </p><p>Bush lost the popular vote, guess someone forgot to tell this guy that.<br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>3.&nbsp; Democratic get-out-the-vote </p><p>Democrats are more united than they ever have been, and Nader is having trouble getting on the ballot.</p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>4.&nbsp; National Security and the War on Terror </p><p>Bush&#039;s approval on terrorism is only 52-55% in most polls, and most people don&#039;t regard terrorism as an important election issue as compared to Iraq or the economy, where Bush receives much lower marks.</p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>5.&nbsp; The perfect timing of the economic cycle </p><p>Bush&#039;s approval remains low on the economy in key battleground states and Kerry is still preferred.<br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>6.&nbsp; The perfect timing of the national conventions </p><p>The bounce will end by the election, and most of them are just polling blurps anyways.<br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>7.&nbsp; The collective weakness of the Democratic hopefuls. </p><p>This is Republican wishful thinking at its finest hour.<br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>8.&nbsp; Same Sex marriage </p><p>FOX Newsflash: Nobody gives a flying monkey&#039;s asshole about gay marriage as it pertains to the election.</p><p>But two guys on the same ticket?&nbsp; Yeah, guess it looks sort of faggy.</p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>9.&nbsp; Republican get-out-the-vote </p><p>Bush&#039;s support among moderates, independents, minorities and many other key voting blocks is very low.&nbsp; His approval is much lower than many incumbents that successfully sought re-election.&nbsp; </p><p>Solid base support only works if the turnout is successful, which it may or may not be.<br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>10.&nbsp; Florida is much more Republican now </p><p>Maybe so, but polls still have it as close.&nbsp; Bush needs to win it anyways, in most scenarios.</p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>11.&nbsp; Redistricting </p><p>Just as many </p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>12.&nbsp; The Base is solid </p><p>The base approves of Bush, but the question is how intensely?&nbsp; Liberals don&#039;t hate George W. Bush, they want him to lose badly.&nbsp; They dream of nothing else.&nbsp; It haunts their every foot step, their every thought.... it is the core of who they are.&nbsp; I know because I am one of them.</p><p>Republicans just passingly approve of the President.&nbsp; Most only do so because the alternative is ultra-liberal Nader or slightly less so Kerry.&nbsp; That means the disenchanted Republicans likely won&#039;t vote, which in a close election could be fatal.</p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>13.&nbsp; Proven leadership </p><p>If proven leadership is lying to get into a war, record budget deficits, an over-extended military, horrible net jobs loss, soaring healthcare costs, a dismal security sitution in Iraq and basically being blind-sided by a national security crisis, the month which before you took a vacation...</p><p>...yeah, sure thing, W.<br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>14.&nbsp; New Hampshire is more Republican </p><p>Kerry is a local son, as opposed to the boring and Southern Al Gore.&nbsp; I think that can play up and help him, and most polls have it neck and neck.&nbsp; &nbsp; </p><br /><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>15.&nbsp; Minnesota and Iowa are more Republican </p><p>Kerry still maintains staggering leads in both states.</p><br /><br /><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>16.&nbsp; Governor Schwarzenegger </p><p>Kerry doesn&#039;t need to defend California, and he won&#039;t fall for that trap.&nbsp; Bush gets less than 35% there in most polls.&nbsp; If Republicans think they can even make California close, they are dreaming.</p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>17.&nbsp; Ohio&#039;s social conservatism </p><p>What about Ohio&#039;s inner-party divison, horrible Republican governor and the disillusionment of many over Bush on the economy?</p><p>Social issues take a backseat to economic issues for most people.</p><br /><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>18.&nbsp; The Deaniacs&#039; pending revolt </p><p>This is yet another Republican wet dream with no basis in reality.</p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>19.&nbsp; Democratic experts still think Dubya&#039;s dumb </p><p>He is a blithering imbecile.</p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>20.&nbsp; Giuliani&#039;s campaigning </p><p>Democrats take New York by 10% or more, I&#039;ll bet anyone here on it right now, any amount of money.</p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>21.&nbsp; Democratic filibusters of Bush&#039;s judicial nominees </p><p>Nobody gives a damn besides really, really hardcore political junkies, and most of them are already decided anyways.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: 2004 Election Prediction as of 7/11/04]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I have it as being close.&nbsp; I won&#039;t post my actual predicted map, because I don&#039;t like being wrong.&nbsp; Right now, Kerry would probably win because of the VP bubble he is floating on.&nbsp; </p><br /><br /><p>It will be close no matter who wins, and the effects of that could be very bad on the political landscape of this country.&nbsp; <strong>The following is a nightmare scenario in which the election makes 2000 look like a legitimate landslide by Bush. </strong> I really hope I am wrong, below is my worst fear.</p><p>If there is a tie, this nation will likely reach the breaking point.&nbsp; After Florida being contested by Democrats, the alleged Supreme Court appointment, the alleged Nader effect and George W. Bush losing the popular vote.... this country cannot take another close election.</p><p>My prediction is a nightmare scenario in which on election night, the electoral vote tally comes to 270-268, in favor of Kerry.&nbsp; Kerry wins the popular vote by a good margin (although a lower margin might underscore more how divided the nation is becoming).&nbsp; </p><p>Then one electoral guy for Kerry abstains, or one switches entirely.&nbsp; Maybe he/she is re-assigned by the Maine congressional district (their state constitution allows two delegates to be chosen by the state legislature).</p><p>All in all, a nightmare scenario would have to involve the Supreme Court.&nbsp; In my nightmare scenario, the Supreme Court is giving Bush by a 5-4 partisan decision the right to take Maine&#039;s congressional district&#039;s electoral vote, making it a tie.</p><p>The House by a small margin approves of Bush as President.&nbsp; Edwards is the Vice President by one vote in the Senate.&nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>It basically ends with Bush losing the popular vote, not winning the electoral vote or even tying legitimately to most people because of Maine, taking an electoral vote only with a Supreme Court decision and basically being appointed by the House of Representatives after multiple votes, serving with Edwards as a Vice President.</p><p>After the election, reports of voter fraud on both sides break out.&nbsp; Edwards is under enormous Republican pressure to resign.&nbsp; Same for Bush.&nbsp; Some try to abolish the electoral college with an amendment, probably.</p><p>Bush is a lameduck President either way.&nbsp; Someone will probably try to assassinate him if the election really is this close.</p><p>Whether they succeed or not is almost irrelevant to the situation.&nbsp; The White House is divided, the electoral college is divided and the nation is divided.&nbsp; </p><p>It is argued by some that democracy has failed, argued by liberals Bush stole the election and Bill O&#039;Reilly and other conservatives will likely play it off as liberal media inventions of delusion.</p><p>George W. Bush will probably become the most hated man in America if this happens, but Ralph Nader is in the running.</p><p>The electoral map for this scenario can be seen here:</p><p><a href="http://www.uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/GENERAL/CAMPAIGN/2004/pred04.php?id=3266&amp;action=indpred&amp;s=View+Version" rel="nofollow">http://www.uselectionatlas.org/USPRESID &#133; ew+Version</a></p><p>This is just a slightly fun &quot;what if&quot; scenario in which the country&#039;s political system basically goes to hell.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks moldman&nbsp; <img src="https://www.faldon.org/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /><br />P.S. I read that 21 thing and I agree, it had many holes in it, I put that up more cause of the fact of the Election Prediction map and stats showed Kerry winning.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>There were many a flaw in that &quot;21 reasons why Bush will win&quot; list.</p><p>Oh, you might want to remove the &quot;[url]&quot; from your URL.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[2004 Election Prediction as of 7/11/04]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2004 03:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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